Perry and David discuss:

Introduction | Perry's overseas trip | Hugo Time Machine - 1955 | They'd Rather Be Right | The Darfsteller | Allamagoosa | Kate Atkinson | Case Histories | One Good Turn | When Will There Be Good News? | Started Early, Took My Dog | Life After Life | John Le Carre's Karla trilogy | The Spy Who Came In From the Cold | Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy | The Honourable Schoolboy | Smiley's People

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David and Perry discuss:
What are fanzines? | Amateur Press Associations | John Bangsund and ANZAPA

They also interview Bruce Gillespie, who talks about:
Melton | Bacchus Marsh | Hears about fandom | ASFR | Invited to stay with Bangsund | Meeting Harding, Turner, et al | First convention, MSFC | First 'fanzine' produced as schoolboy | Duplicators | Starting to produce fanzines | ANZAPA | Sent to Ararat | First two issues of SFC | Response from o/seas | Critical reviews of SF outside academia | John Foyster | Resigning from teaching in Ararat | Meets Gerald Murnane | Acquires own duplicator | Aussiecon | 1977 extraordinary year | How have things changed? | Nostrilia Press | IBM Composer | Typesetting for Highland House & others | Desktop publishing comes in | Applying this to fanzines | Modern challenges | Bill Burns' Efanzine site | Will you continue? | Awards

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Perry and David discuss:

Are you a serial or parallel reader? | Retro Hugos | The Hugo Time Machine: 1954 | Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury | The Telling by Ursula Le Guin | A Case of Conscience by James Blish | The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell | Chesley Bonestell | Ex Machina - the movie

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