Perry and David talk about:

Follow-up | Listening to our own episodes | Getting our facts wrong | Perry's views on diversity in the SF field | Do the awards truly indicate quality? | Other awards in the field

They also interview researcher Dr. Lucy Sussex about:

Discovering Mary Fortune | Ellen Davitt | 'Force and Fraud' - Australia's first murder mystery | Mary Fortune's reputation | Anticipates the police procedural | Police looked down on | French writer Émile Gaboriau | Australian interest in true crime | Wilkie Collins and 'The Moonstone' | Fascination with Australian settings | Mary Braddon | Ellen Wood | Marcus Clarke and 'His Natural Life' | 'The Mystery of a Hansom Cab' | 'Blockbuster' | Fergus Hume | Melbourne the centre of theatre | Nailed colonial Victoria | Unusual structure of the novel | Victoria's Chinese detective | Concept of The Great Detective | Crime novels as commentary on society | Marvellous Melbourne - only for some | 'Blockbuster' story of a publishing phenomenon | Frederick Trischler | Print run of 5,000 | Hume sells copyright for £50 | Kicks off interest in crime fiction | Interest in Australia | Pirated in the United States | Literature a dicey business | Theatrical versions | Hume goes to England | Was Hume gay? | Oscar Wilde | Blackmail? | Theosophy | Spiritualism - Doyle, Houdini | Hume's connections in England | Haddon Chambers | Lucy's further research | Anne Perry | Further research

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Image: section of the cover of The Mystery of a Hansom Cab by Fergus Hume.

David and Perry discuss:

Recent reading | Fire and Blood | Ian Tregillis | The Milkweed Triptych | The Alchemy Wars | Something More Than Night | Binge reading | The Hugo Time Machine 1956 | Double Star by Robert Heinlein | Heinlein's sexual attitudes | Other nominees | Three to Conquer | End of Eternity | The Long Tomorrow | First woman to be nominated | Exploration Team | The Star | End As A World | Game of Rat and Dragon | Astounding SF Magazine | John W. Campbell Jnr | Controversy over Award Naming | Criticism by Jeanette Ng | JWC Memorial Award | World Fantasy Award | James Tiptree Jnr Award | Arthur C. Clarke Award | Hugo Gernsback | Perils of naming awards after people | The Oscars | 2019 Hugos | The Calculating Stars | For All Mankind | Artificial Condition | If At First You Don't Succeed | A Witch's Guide to Escape | Wayfarers Series | Archive of Our Own | Into the Spider-Verse | The Good Place | Hugo Awards Website

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